Where do u stand on the immigration issue?

[OnTheAir420]

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[vexed less]

^^im guessin ur refering to the US' immigration issues... which i am not totally aware of... though im fairly sure they are to do with keepin out mexican immigrants in particular...

if that is the case i mos def do not agree with them...shit is just plain wrong...

...a similar situation has arised in Australia recently...but instead involvin African refugees...
a few incidents involvin african refugees includin gang violence n the alike have increased so the government down here has done their best to destroy the name of all africans... shits really sad....seein i know heaps of africans refugees and they are truelly decent people.

[T-rade]

^^im guessin ur refering to the US' immigration issues... which i am not totally aware of... though im fairly sure they are to do with keepin out mexican immigrants in particular...

if that is the case i mos def do not agree with them...shit is just plain wrong...

...a similar situation has arised in Australia recently...but instead involvin African refugees...
a few incidents involvin african refugees includin gang violence n the alike have increased so the government down here has done their best to destroy the name of all africans... shits really sad....seein i know heaps of africans refugees and they are truelly decent people.

I saw that in the newspaper, ya closed your borders entirely for africans, right?

Well, we just had an election and our nationalistic party became 3rd biggest and is part of our government now. That'll make it harder for immigrants getting asylum, and those that lives in asylum camps has a hard time getting a card so they can get out of there, and their requests often gets rejected. Shit sucks, diversity makes beautiful

[vexed less]

^^yeah they basically said look no more african refugees... but in order for the runnin government to still gain some of the multicultural vote they said they want to bring more arabic refugees...so now the current government may be able to gain more votes from the more larger arabic societies down here even though they lost the smaller amount of votes from africans...shits plain wrong....they plain with people lives her man.

[Don Julio]

As a Mexican American who is able to objectively look back at American History and reevaluate the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, I think it is unfair for any Mexican, regardless of where they are born to be labled an illegal immigrant.

[BoLoG]

Our country should try and help the living situations around the world. This would decrease poverty and ppl would think twice about coming here. I know it wont happen since we and many others live in countries that use other places for cheap labor, importing productc, etc etc.......

I think ppl should be allowed to come IF AND ONLY IF they are here to work and provide for their family. And those caught in serious criminal activites should be kicked out and not allowed for some time.

[~y~]

That cartoons pretty much sums my opinion very well. It really ticks me off when ppl say stupid crap like "Our forefathers built this country and now the Mexicans are taking our jobs ...." That's just reckless speech because your "forefathers" were once immigrants too dumbass. Not only that they raped, robbed and murdered Native Americans, Africans, Mexicans, etc to 'build' this country which couldn't have happened without immigrants and slaves alike from all around the globe. That self righteous babble is degrading.

[vexed less]

^^^i dont think it could be said any better than that.

[4anybody...]

i think the issue has moved past being about whats right and wrong.

The fact is is that US companies have to set up IN MEXICO (and other countries) just to use the cheap labor to get a competitive advantage with other major companies who also use cheap labor

this causes the breakdown of communities because the US company in mexico pays a little more than sustinence farming, so some people leave the farming communities, meaning that the communities can no longer support themsleves, so they have to look for jobs in the US


At the same time, the manufacturing jobs USED to be GOOD jobs in the US, decent pay. But since they're leaving, that means there are generally only shitty pay service jobs and high-end very technical jobs that require (expensive) education. So that is where the cries for stopping immigration come from

The only way to fix the problem is to stop companies from leaving the US

But, the way the economy is set up, if companies don't leave the US and get cheap labor, they won't be competitive in the global market and will go out of bizness.

You could say "then just change how the market works" but that is a huge deal. How would you do it?

immigration is not really a simple racial issue anymore, its mostly an economic issue

[vexed less]

^^^damn thats a wake up call.... major props...i really am blind to most political and economic issues and that seems fairly disturbin...

[wedo-syang]

Immigration is only natural, species always go to the places where they can eat and their children have the most chances to survive. If you take a look at the animals you will see what i mean.

I though understand why some people want to defend "Their" Country, different nationalitis mean different cultures which means Changes. And people are always affraid of changes....And it's also a natural insinct to defend your land against foreigners.....It always has and always will be....

So i don't judge the people who don't want immigrants in their countrys, not even the stupid white americans who stole "their" country in the first place.......

They can try to defend it but in the long term i won't help.......The whole world mixes up......it is what it is!

[(--LazerScope-->>]

Right now there doesn't seem to be any middle ground in this debate, and that's what I think is the problem.

The 2 scenarios highlighted are either we let all these immigrants into the country with minimal regulation, or we defend our borders to the death with soldiers, walls, etc.

Mexico is a poor, fucked up country. If we maybe helped them, in terms of trade, incentives or something else, and get them to improve their country a little better, then they wouldn't need to come over here so much and cause so many problems.

[Dr. ibarfly Jones]

We need to make this country that has been built on the blood, sweat, tears, and dreams of immigrants to always be a place of refuge for those that want it. To deny the freedom and possibilites we have here in america are wrong.

If a person has a criminal record, then I understand not allowing the a place here. That is though. Certain expectations should be met by immigrants. Kind of like being on a citizenship parole. Work, taxes, blah, blah, blah.

If a person can do what is asked of them then they could be considered criminals or illegal status. Everybody should have a chance to become something great. In american you have that chance. But you just have to do it right.

[ChynaWhyte™]

That cartoons pretty much sums my opinion very well. It really ticks me off when ppl say stupid crap like "Our forefathers built this country and now the Mexicans are taking our jobs ...." That's just reckless speech because your "forefathers" were once immigrants too dumbass. Not only that they raped, robbed and murdered Native Americans, Africans, Mexicans, etc to 'build' this country which couldn't have happened without immigrants and slaves alike from all around the globe. That self righteous babble is degrading.

YOU SERIOUSLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.....

TRUTH HURTS, BUT PEOPLE CAN BE TOO BLINDSIDED BY THE BULLSHIT TO EVEN LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ASPECT.



PEACE

[Luse_Fiasco]

im writing an argumentative paper/research paper on this topic this semmester for my english class..this should be interesting...

its a topic that very much interests me...

haha its supposed to be 15 pages long

[ElCount]

^^^ Make sure you post it when your done.

Honestly my opinion on the matter has been hit by a lot of posters already.

And I feel those who do use the term "illegal immigrant" in the U.S. should be smacked.

[Luse_Fiasco]

word well we all have our own reasons

ive already started researching on this and getting ideas here and there including the board, i might come here for a lil help but other than that Inshallah

[Luse_Fiasco]

^^^ Make sure you post it when your done.

Honestly my opinion on the matter has been hit by a lot of posters already.

And I feel those who do use the term "illegal immigrant" in the U.S. should be smacked.

should be smacked??

fast forward to 2008 here, do you realize how much the US is providing for "illegal immigrants"?its almost like they are covered and most of the times, they get away with crime and medical issues

el i dont know where ur trying to get with wat u said but if u could elaborate more, id like to hear

[ElCount]

Like someone said before our "founding fathers" were all illegal immigrants.

I feel it is unfair to call someone an illegal immigrant when either they or their parents or grandparents etc... were all illegal immigrants at one time.

To call some Mexican guy who just came here an illegal immigrant is dumb when people like Christopher Columbus are not labeled as illegal immigrants in textbooks.

I just think it's a stupid term that shouldn't be used. It has a negative sting to it but that negative sting is really only applied to those that politicians, press, and some Americans wants to weed out right now.

Nobody should get away with crime so I don't know what's going on there.

As for medical care, the U.S. has one of the worst healthcare systems in the world for developed countries so if an "illegal immigrant" is getting covered good for them.

To me the U.S. is the place for freedom and opportunity so we shouldn't be guarding our borders the way we do.

[shaun1234]

there's also an important distinction between immigrants and asylum seekers aka refugees. over here in the UK the right-wing media has succeeded in confusing the two, giving bad information to suit its xenophobic agenda.

an asylum seeker is someone fleeing from persecution, who would not be safe if they remained in their own country. i can't believe anybody would object to the government allowing such people a safe refuge.

the issue of simple immigration, for economic or non-essential motives is more complicated. i personally have no problem with it, a society is richer for the diversity of its cultures. and in economic terms, in the case of hispanic immigrants to the USA, many are filling gaps in the labour market that american citizens are unwilling or insufficiently skilled to fill. obviously, many people disagree, thus governments and political parties are compelled to adjust their policies to anti-immigration stances.

as a lot of people have alluded to, whats interesting is that the countries where public opinion and government policy is most hostile to immigration, are the same countries whose economies and societies have been built on successive waves of immigrant throughout their histories....eg the usa, australia, uk.