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schopenhauerjr
12-09-2007, 02:09 PM
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/images/2007/12/04/seareptile_2.jpg

Scientists in Norway have unearthed the remains of a prehistoric sea reptile previously unidentified by researchers.

University of Oslo researchers found new teeth, skull fragments, and vertebrae on the Svalbard islands, which have yielded dozens of sea reptile skeletons of the pliosaurus (pictured right). The new remains, however, appear to belong to a new species of prehistoric reptile.

Or not. The AP story filed out of Oslo is unclear. Behold self-contradiction:

"It seems the monster is a new species," (Jorn Harald Hurum of the University of Oslo) told The Associated Press.

The reptile appears be the same species as another sea predator whose remains were found nearby on Svalbard last year.

If you can parse what the AP meant, you are a better grammarian than I. Is the monster a new species or is it the same species? Or is it that all the Svalbard fossils, which made waves last year, were not pliosaurus after all?

What we do know is that increased research in more pristine environments, like the Arctic, have yielded remarkable new fossil discoveries, especially in sea reptile (aka plesiosaur) research. As Mark Evans, a plesiosaur expert at the Leicester City Museums in Britain, told the AP, "In the past 10 or 15 years, there has been what we call a renaissance in plesiosaur research."

UPDATE (12/5, 8:20 AM): Professor Horum came by the comments and cleared up the confusion. The short story: "there are not two new species of large pliosaurs but one."

There is some confusion around the AP story, just for the record:
The new monster we found this year, is of the same species as the one we excavated this year (and found last year) there are not two new species of large pliosaurs but one.
for something about this years fieldwork see:
http://www.nhm.uio.no/pliosaurus/
I have not had the time to translate it to English yet, but there will be a larger press-release in March when some of the large bones will be shown to the public.

Dr. F. Robin O'Keefe of Marshall also checked in to say that it does just take a while, as some commenters surmised, for new species like the ones that Horum has been discovering in Norway to elbow out room for themselves in the taxonomic literature.
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/prehistoric-rep.html

vexed less
12-09-2007, 05:09 PM
yea fossil were recently found on an australian beach...which has prolonging the wait to start the planning of some big ass powerplant or some bullshit.... im actuall glad, ...less polution.

but for the article above ...ima just say that its amazing that in this day n age we like to think we know so much about the earth we live in.... truth is we aint know shit. New things are constantly being discovered.... old theories and info that were considered true are being outdated.... man life is crazy.

T-rade
12-10-2007, 05:16 AM
MONSTERØGLA

Tenk deg et dyr så langt som en buss med tenner store som slangeagurker. Tenk deg samtidig at disse tennene sitter i et hode der en voksen mann kan legges på tunga og svelges hel…

Ekspedisjonen ”Øglejegerne 2006” fant i fjor et fossilt skjelett av et av verdens største rovdyr noensinne - Pliosaurus. Skallen er minst 2,1 meter lang og ryggvirvlene strekker seg over seks meter bortover i fjellsiden.

Pliosaurus er en av de aller største rovøglene som har levd noen gang. De spiste de andre fiskeøglene og svaneøglene som levde i havet for 150 millioner år siden. Det er hittil ikke funnet noen hele skjeletter av Pliosaurus noe sted i verden, så funnet på Svalbard vil få stor betydning for vår forståelse av disse store monstrene.

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Imagine an animal as long as a bus with teeths the size of cucumbers. Then imagine these teeth sitting in a head big enough for a grown man to lay down on the tongue and being swallowed whole...

The expedition "Øglejegerne 2006" (lizardhunters 2006) last years a fossil skeleton of one of the worlds biggest predators ever - pilosaurus. The skull is minimum 2,1 meter (around 7 feet) long and the spine stretches over 6 meter (around 20 feet) (something I couldn't understand but isn't important).

Pilosaurus is one of the biggest predatory lizards that has ever lived. They ate other "fishlizards" and "birdlizards" (don't know what to translate them to, but that is what it says, birds and sea animals basically) that lived 150 million years ago. There has never before been found a complete skeleton of the Pilosaurus any where in the world, so this finding will have a big influence on our understanding of these huge monsters

And then something about making expeditions like this

T-rade
12-10-2007, 07:29 AM
yea fossil were recently found on an australian beach...which has prolonging the wait to start the planning of some big ass powerplant or some bullshit.... im actuall glad, ...less polution.

but for the article above ...ima just say that its amazing that in this day n age we like to think we know so much about the earth we live in.... truth is we aint know shit. New things are constantly being discovered.... old theories and info that were considered true are being outdated.... man life is crazy.

Yeah, I feel you, and it's just another proof Hume was right, aint no eternal truth, what we think we know for certain right now might be laughed at and considered naive in 50 years!