...consider a concious universe...

[vexed less]

...this is one attempt at trying to make the idea of a concious universe more accepted... shits by Deepak Chopra...



" Imagine that someone wanted to figure out the the rules of a football game and had a silent videotape to work from. With no knowledge of the game, it would still be possible to watch enough plays and come to a reliable conclusion about whats going on.

Yet it would be impossible to make sense of the game if you assume that the players were mindless, inert objects. They are too coordinated, they form too many complex patterns, they reapeat and remember those patterns, and the scoreboard makes sense- somebdy wins, somebody loses. To go a step further, it would be a mistake to start your research by saying that football ipso facto cannot be based on the existance of the mind or concious. You would wind up with wildy wrong conclusions if you insisted that no matter what the videotape shows, football cannot be a game; it must remain a random colllision of objects."



...how yall feel about this comparison...??
...is the universe too organised to to just be a series of random events?

[Lord Almighty]

That's a difficult question to answer because in my opinion, organization and order (as opposed to disorganization & chaos) is somewhat subjective.

Taking the football game for example, although I know and understand the rules and flow of the game, it still doesn't change the fact that it's 22 grown men crashing into eachother and throwing their bodeis around over a leather ball (my wife's interpretation of the sport). The only reason it appears organized in my eyes is because I understand the order of the sport.

So in essence, what I'm trying to say is that maybe chaos doesn't truly exist because what may seem like random events to one preson, it's simply "part of the game" to another. Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Ordo Abchao. (Order of Chaos)

[Dr. ibarfly Jones]

That's a difficult question to answer because in my opinion, organization and order (as opposed to disorganization & chaos) is somewhat subjective.

Taking the football game for example, although I know and understand the rules and flow of the game, it still doesn't change the fact that it's 22 grown men crashing into eachother and throwing their bodeis around over a leather ball (my wife's interpretation of the sport). The only reason it appears organized in my eyes is because I understand the order of the sport.

So in essence, what I'm trying to say is that maybe chaos doesn't truly exist because what may seem like random events to one preson, it's simply "part of the game" to another. Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Ordo Abchao. (Order of Chaos)


Cosign, I alwaqys say we understand as far as we have learn. Meaning what may seem like random maybe chaos and what may seem like order could be chaos. People act as if they have all the answers but in reality we one have a few words out of the million that make of war and peace. How can you know what the book is about by reading 3 words. impossible.

[Rudra]

Cosign, I alwaqys say we understand as far as we have learn. Meaning what may seem like random maybe chaos and what may seem like order could be chaos. People act as if they have all the answers but in reality we one have a few words out of the million that make of war and peace. How can you know what the book is about by reading 3 words. impossible.


That is, in my opinion ridiculous. Chaos is a DEFINITION and so although we may not be able to find the order in things we don't understand it still remains, by our DEFINITION chaos.
Chaos and order are not necessarily incompatible. It is not chaos OR order as any midly accomplished scientist will now that the human body functions out of chaos i.e. the collisions between molecules in the body are completely RANDOM (diffusion) and it is these collisions between molecules and enyzmes that allow you to digest your food, that power your nerve impulses, that control your body temperature - everything.

Chaos and order can be dipolar but the same thing at the same time.